"meta music" - idea on a skill one should be aware of
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hello Richard,
I read this long posting in 3 times, but I think I know what you mean.
Yesterday I had a gig at Feykultur in Eiserfey. The set list was far away from my personal choice. But never the less, I do it whit all my mind and it was a very good gig. I was very relaxed and I had a lot of fun. I meet the drummen (cajon player) the first time, but we work fine together.
Obwohl der Sänger/Guitarist unerfahren und nervös war haben wir zusammen das gut gemacht.
I read this long posting in 3 times, but I think I know what you mean.
Yesterday I had a gig at Feykultur in Eiserfey. The set list was far away from my personal choice. But never the less, I do it whit all my mind and it was a very good gig. I was very relaxed and I had a lot of fun. I meet the drummen (cajon player) the first time, but we work fine together.
Obwohl der Sänger/Guitarist unerfahren und nervös war haben wir zusammen das gut gemacht.
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Normally I do not post bad comments about musicians. But some days ago I had visited an open air live concert near a lake's harbour. Maybe 300 or 500 visitors.
The drum sound was loud, loud and hurting. The singer could not sing but cry, the guitarist could not play but strum 6 strings. The bass was loud like exploding bombs in a sub-sub-frequency. All together it was loud and painful. No dynamics, no feelings. It was the worst band I have ever listened live.
Standing 10m from stage I suffered pain. Standing by the men at the mixer, my ears were really hurted and I wondered why they were unable to do their job. They had lost their ears.
I went back the next 25m. Some people gave them applause, near the stage, near the loud loudspeakers. A little crowd but a crowd, touched by noise.
The songs were not badly composed, nice lyrics and hooklines. But no backgrounds for the crying singer. Poor man.
The next band did it much better, they played music. But they tried to hurt my ears with senseless volumes, too. The guitarist of this band did more music in the first two bars than the first band in 8 songs!
The only meta music concept of these two bands: Maximum loudness.
The drum sound was loud, loud and hurting. The singer could not sing but cry, the guitarist could not play but strum 6 strings. The bass was loud like exploding bombs in a sub-sub-frequency. All together it was loud and painful. No dynamics, no feelings. It was the worst band I have ever listened live.
Standing 10m from stage I suffered pain. Standing by the men at the mixer, my ears were really hurted and I wondered why they were unable to do their job. They had lost their ears.
I went back the next 25m. Some people gave them applause, near the stage, near the loud loudspeakers. A little crowd but a crowd, touched by noise.
The songs were not badly composed, nice lyrics and hooklines. But no backgrounds for the crying singer. Poor man.
The next band did it much better, they played music. But they tried to hurt my ears with senseless volumes, too. The guitarist of this band did more music in the first two bars than the first band in 8 songs!
The only meta music concept of these two bands: Maximum loudness.
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I think music is as much a listening art as it is a performing art. And this has several implications. One is that it promotes the emergence of sub-cultures where a group of listeners and performers reach a consensus on musical, meta-musical and non-musical (clothing, social codes etc) elements, volume being one of them.
I believe that sound engineers are very often caught in the middle of this. They are a crucial part of both the performance but also a important part of the audience. And as with all key roles, different levels of skill and commitment have a large impact on the result.
What startles me is that i have witnessed performances of established artist where the sound was so bad (unbalanced, to much presence, clipping etc, all related. And probably some of them related to the engineers hearing impairment as an result of an occupational damage) that i really wanted to leave in disappointment. And this has happened more than once.
And this opens a new question: How much does technology get in the way of meta-musical elements? There are a lot of indicators that it does. Analog vs digital, multi-miking vs single mikes, these debates have been going on for decades. And still people attend music festivals on outdoor venues where sound is marred with technological artefacts
I believe that sound engineers are very often caught in the middle of this. They are a crucial part of both the performance but also a important part of the audience. And as with all key roles, different levels of skill and commitment have a large impact on the result.
What startles me is that i have witnessed performances of established artist where the sound was so bad (unbalanced, to much presence, clipping etc, all related. And probably some of them related to the engineers hearing impairment as an result of an occupational damage) that i really wanted to leave in disappointment. And this has happened more than once.
And this opens a new question: How much does technology get in the way of meta-musical elements? There are a lot of indicators that it does. Analog vs digital, multi-miking vs single mikes, these debates have been going on for decades. And still people attend music festivals on outdoor venues where sound is marred with technological artefacts
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Not really tuned, not really tight, poor sound...
But strays, sways...
But something happens...
Still stuck from the 1955's recording I've first heard when I was 10.
One microphone at the center of the room and every instrument at the right distance.
Even the cracks make me vibe.
Meta means going over... Going over music in that case.
This is meta music for me.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IOou6qN1o] Muddy Waters [/url]
This is not a question of skills or technology, it's a meeting point where something happens and is delivered.
The real skill is the ability to let it go...
Practise and bring who you are.
But strays, sways...
But something happens...
Still stuck from the 1955's recording I've first heard when I was 10.
One microphone at the center of the room and every instrument at the right distance.
Even the cracks make me vibe.
Meta means going over... Going over music in that case.
This is meta music for me.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IOou6qN1o] Muddy Waters [/url]
This is not a question of skills or technology, it's a meeting point where something happens and is delivered.
The real skill is the ability to let it go...
Practise and bring who you are.
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Great topic. I have been on the Loops for over 2 years. I realized when I joined I needed work on my timing, endurance and creativity. Timing was the big thing. I was not "rock solid". Over the past 2 years I have improved, thanks to all the jamming and recording I have done here. I also have improved so much with the recording process (and I thank many of my fellow members for that).
So why do I mention all of this and how does it relate to Meta Music? It wasn't until I became "solid" as a drummer that I was finally able to experience that "moment" Dick talks about. This actually happened just last week. I have been recording a bunch of songs recently, everything has seemed to fall in place, and for one particular song I was carried away, no longer in my little room in the back of our apartment, but on stage somewhere with a great band! My emotions took over and I was able to inflict my personality through my drum playing on the song! This was only possible because of all the work done the past few years here. I would not have been able to let go and be free in my playing if I had not had the confidence in myself. What an experience. Almost "outer body". So thanks to the Loops and all the people I have jammed with for helping getting me to this point.
I always remember a quote from Joey Kramer, the drummer of Aerosmith: "If you can play what you are thinking, then you are becoming a successful drummer."
simple quote but deep in meaning... B)
So why do I mention all of this and how does it relate to Meta Music? It wasn't until I became "solid" as a drummer that I was finally able to experience that "moment" Dick talks about. This actually happened just last week. I have been recording a bunch of songs recently, everything has seemed to fall in place, and for one particular song I was carried away, no longer in my little room in the back of our apartment, but on stage somewhere with a great band! My emotions took over and I was able to inflict my personality through my drum playing on the song! This was only possible because of all the work done the past few years here. I would not have been able to let go and be free in my playing if I had not had the confidence in myself. What an experience. Almost "outer body". So thanks to the Loops and all the people I have jammed with for helping getting me to this point.
I always remember a quote from Joey Kramer, the drummer of Aerosmith: "If you can play what you are thinking, then you are becoming a successful drummer."
simple quote but deep in meaning... B)
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the fear factor mentioned earlier certainly gets in the way of meta music creation.
for some people its the "stage fright" of being in front of an audience, for others like me ...not bothered by an audience, but really shy of playing (and getting in the way) with players i perceive as "better" than me. that "getting it on" moment will always elude the fearful. however, i had something of an epiphany at the first wikifest...... some really great players allowed me to play with them without judgment.. this quelled my (call it) fear and allowed me, and by extension the other players access to that meta moment.
once experienced ....fear is not an option:D
for some people its the "stage fright" of being in front of an audience, for others like me ...not bothered by an audience, but really shy of playing (and getting in the way) with players i perceive as "better" than me. that "getting it on" moment will always elude the fearful. however, i had something of an epiphany at the first wikifest...... some really great players allowed me to play with them without judgment.. this quelled my (call it) fear and allowed me, and by extension the other players access to that meta moment.
once experienced ....fear is not an option:D
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During long practice sessions my mind sometimes strays.. and sometimes it is constructive.
I heard pianist Hal Galper say that you should practice in order to detach yourself emotionally from your instrument. This was one of those comments that seemed just right but did not make much sense from a logical point of view. Isn't expressing emotions what music is all about? This morning it hit me. Yes, music is about emotions, but not emotion towards your instrument.
If you are fearful of making mistakes this [i]will[/i] reflect in your playing. Likewise if you are proud of having achieved something (difficult) chances are you will appear as a show-off etc. Having emotions towards your instrument (and your performance) does then block the conduit that music is meant to be. Detaching yourself opens up this conduit to other more important and interesting emotions.
Does this make sense to anybody else?
I heard pianist Hal Galper say that you should practice in order to detach yourself emotionally from your instrument. This was one of those comments that seemed just right but did not make much sense from a logical point of view. Isn't expressing emotions what music is all about? This morning it hit me. Yes, music is about emotions, but not emotion towards your instrument.
If you are fearful of making mistakes this [i]will[/i] reflect in your playing. Likewise if you are proud of having achieved something (difficult) chances are you will appear as a show-off etc. Having emotions towards your instrument (and your performance) does then block the conduit that music is meant to be. Detaching yourself opens up this conduit to other more important and interesting emotions.
Does this make sense to anybody else?
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yes, that makes perfect sense.
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