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When in doubt, check it out
https://www.deezer.com/explore/en-us/ai-music-detector/
For those that really want to know.
https://www.deezer.com/explore/en-us/ai-music-detector/
For those that really want to know.
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Good tool that could be of use here.
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My reality is simple: I love hearing music from all of you and also gravitate towards new members and wish to hear what they have to offer.
Opening the floodgates to a lot of AI generated stuff with the lame excuse that it's inevitable is my cue to exit.
I simply don't wish to have to take a huge amount of time trying to find real music by real musicians.
There is every reason for this site to be a bastion for music created by people in a world where it seems apathy will allow technical banality to take over.
Keeping a strict human element will be the key in the future for people sick of being fed homogenized garbage to seek a human creative refuge.
That future is looming much closer than most realize. Keeping the floodgates closed to AI is likely to be this site's greatest asset.
I just googled "music with no AI". It's become a category that seems to have major uptake, even from "the industry" and very loudly/proudly stated. The division already exists. WL at this point could become a headliner for that category by excluding AI, or it can get lumped with the others due to having no clear policy or means of implementing a NO AI policy.
The "creep" of the technology into areas that seem benign is obvious. Do I want to hear people who can't sing use AI to make their singing in tune? No, I want to hear real singers and musicians! Should every track be adjusted to have perfect timing/rhythm?
I wish celebrate what it means to be imperfect and not a machine. Within that imperfection also lies our humanity and creativity. Listen to our drummers like Peter or DFD. They have microsecond differences that are what give their drumming the feel and character which make the music come alive. You can hear the difference! Quantize that out and the music is dead.
This site has celebrated us as musicians. Should that be abandoned because some have been sold on the idea of a new technology being inevitable? Our lives are about what we give time to. What music do you want to create and what music do you want to listen to?
Opening the floodgates to a lot of AI generated stuff with the lame excuse that it's inevitable is my cue to exit.
I simply don't wish to have to take a huge amount of time trying to find real music by real musicians.
There is every reason for this site to be a bastion for music created by people in a world where it seems apathy will allow technical banality to take over.
Keeping a strict human element will be the key in the future for people sick of being fed homogenized garbage to seek a human creative refuge.
That future is looming much closer than most realize. Keeping the floodgates closed to AI is likely to be this site's greatest asset.
I just googled "music with no AI". It's become a category that seems to have major uptake, even from "the industry" and very loudly/proudly stated. The division already exists. WL at this point could become a headliner for that category by excluding AI, or it can get lumped with the others due to having no clear policy or means of implementing a NO AI policy.
The "creep" of the technology into areas that seem benign is obvious. Do I want to hear people who can't sing use AI to make their singing in tune? No, I want to hear real singers and musicians! Should every track be adjusted to have perfect timing/rhythm?
I wish celebrate what it means to be imperfect and not a machine. Within that imperfection also lies our humanity and creativity. Listen to our drummers like Peter or DFD. They have microsecond differences that are what give their drumming the feel and character which make the music come alive. You can hear the difference! Quantize that out and the music is dead.
This site has celebrated us as musicians. Should that be abandoned because some have been sold on the idea of a new technology being inevitable? Our lives are about what we give time to. What music do you want to create and what music do you want to listen to?
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Wade wrote:
I wish celebrate what it means to be imperfect and not a machine. Within that imperfection also lies our humanity and creativity. Listen to our drummers like Peter or DFD. They have microsecond differences that are what give their drumming the feel can character which make the music come alive. You can hear the difference! Quantize that out and the music is dead.
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I wish celebrate what it means to be imperfect and not a machine. Within that imperfection also lies our humanity and creativity. Listen to our drummers like Peter or DFD. They have microsecond differences that are what give their drumming the feel can character which make the music come alive. You can hear the difference! Quantize that out and the music is dead.
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Well said Wade! I wholeheartedly agree with you and believe that what makes this site a unique bastion of expression and creativity is the human factor!
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[quote]Wade wrote:
"I wish celebrate what it means to be imperfect and not a machine. Within that imperfection also lies our humanity and creativity."
I share this vision. Music is a Human Art. HA and non AI. It is a means of expressing the soul of those who play. Imperfection is entirely a part of it. I would go even further: perfection in any art is boring and soulless. The magic that moves us or gives us goose bumps is human. Because they are humans who speak to humans. If robots want to make music for robots because they like it, that will come one day, free for them. But we made us music for humans!::@
"I wish celebrate what it means to be imperfect and not a machine. Within that imperfection also lies our humanity and creativity."
I share this vision. Music is a Human Art. HA and non AI. It is a means of expressing the soul of those who play. Imperfection is entirely a part of it. I would go even further: perfection in any art is boring and soulless. The magic that moves us or gives us goose bumps is human. Because they are humans who speak to humans. If robots want to make music for robots because they like it, that will come one day, free for them. But we made us music for humans!::@
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Maybe some have noticed that Dick is currently unable to comment on this discussion and share his views.
Before this gets out of hand, I think in all fairness not only to Dick but to everyone in WL, we should maybe take a step back to ensure that group dynamics don`t spiral into something we will all regret.
Let`s not forget that out of the x hundred active members only about 10 have actually voiced their opinion here, opinions which I read to be more about AI in music in general and less about WL.
Yes, there seems to be a group that would like WL to be 100% free of AI, a group that would at least want AI to be signposted by the uploaders and a group that is either too shy to voice an opinion or doesn`t have one.
But I do support anyone who wants to to make their position clear in their profile and to make conscious decicions on whose tracks to interact with.
So maybe we should for the moment hold off on making direct or indirect demands on Dick on what he should be doing, because it all comes down to the individual members themselves anyway. They are the ones who can sanction AI usage by ignoring the "offenders". And there will always be offenders regardless of how much technical or organizational policing WL could in theory provide.
Before this gets out of hand, I think in all fairness not only to Dick but to everyone in WL, we should maybe take a step back to ensure that group dynamics don`t spiral into something we will all regret.
Let`s not forget that out of the x hundred active members only about 10 have actually voiced their opinion here, opinions which I read to be more about AI in music in general and less about WL.
Yes, there seems to be a group that would like WL to be 100% free of AI, a group that would at least want AI to be signposted by the uploaders and a group that is either too shy to voice an opinion or doesn`t have one.
But I do support anyone who wants to to make their position clear in their profile and to make conscious decicions on whose tracks to interact with.
So maybe we should for the moment hold off on making direct or indirect demands on Dick on what he should be doing, because it all comes down to the individual members themselves anyway. They are the ones who can sanction AI usage by ignoring the "offenders". And there will always be offenders regardless of how much technical or organizational policing WL could in theory provide.
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I would hope that some of you have checked out Bothen's find:
https://www.deezer.com/explore/en-us/ai-music-detector/
The site claims to be able to attach to a site (like WL) and screen for AI tracks. I doubt that it would have any way to "see" AI influenced hardware, but can sniff out AI generated tracks. That could be a good answer if it fits. I would volunteer to finance it and welcome others to do the same. It wouldn't be fair to ask Richard to be outlaying for this or add any further work load.
https://www.deezer.com/explore/en-us/ai-music-detector/
The site claims to be able to attach to a site (like WL) and screen for AI tracks. I doubt that it would have any way to "see" AI influenced hardware, but can sniff out AI generated tracks. That could be a good answer if it fits. I would volunteer to finance it and welcome others to do the same. It wouldn't be fair to ask Richard to be outlaying for this or add any further work load.
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I wonder if the simplest solution could be for Dick to add two possible choices when we load a track on WL. "This track is created with AI." and "This track is created without AI". It wouldn’t solve everything, but it could help identify some tracks. Knowing that those who create with AI could continue to post their songs, without deceiving anyone.
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