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billybluej
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Sorry billybluej this song was asking for saxophone, I tried to replicate your mix too. Great job with your contributions, I loved it!! I tried to "duel" with your guitar leads and left room for your voice
Wade
Nicely fitting into this. +1
16 dicembre 2025 alle ore 19:38
Tyler_250829
Tyler_250829 I think I found you on cafe saxophone, with all your wikiloops contributions over there, I'm simply amazed that nobody else has jumped on that bandwagon, this site continually blows my mind, just ripe with talent, and such a relaxed vibe. Maybe all the saxophonists out there are getting gigs and don't have time to have fun. +1
17 dicembre 2025 alle ore 02:41
Wade
Wade Yes, that's me. I'm afraid that the majority of players at the Cafe and SOTW are strictly Jazz "theory" players. They aren't able to improvise by ear and require charts so that they can run their riffs and arpeggios as cut and paste. The tracks posted at the cafe were to encourage players there to play by ear (or at least give it a go. Oh well... +1
18 dicembre 2025 alle ore 17:11
Tyler_250829
Tyler_250829 That's wild man, I guess we all have different struggles. I do my best when I go by ear, and having a chart does help. I didn't go to college, nor have I had any formal lessons. I've picked up bits of theory here and there, but when I actually play to a track it usually devolves into playing by ear. Learning a song is an absolute test of my patience though lol, I really am envious of people who can pick up a chart and sight read it. +1
18 dicembre 2025 alle ore 20:08
Wade
Wade I started playing instruments at 7 years old and learned to read. However my playing was extremely ordinary. Then I became a singer. That changed the way I played and I wanted to play what I heard in my head instead of slavishly following the dots. It changed me from being a 2 Dimensional player to a 3 D player. When reading it's an eyes to finders mental pathway. When playing by ear it's ears to fingers and your only limitations are what you can hear and one's ability to have your fingers play what you hear.

Playing charts or "the changes" is still not a ears to fingers mental pathway. It's using our eyes and memory to plug in riffs and arpeggios that fit the structure, but generally lacks melody, storytelling and continuity. It encourages using "finger memory" of practiced routines that become "cut and paste". Those players generally try to impress with the ability to play technically and at speed. The result is a type of jazz that says little or noting to an audience. It's no longer entertainment, it's showing off.

Learning a song is about your ability to sing it, which, if you're in touch with ears to fingers playing, means you can play what you hear. Jazz Improvisation is just hearing variations on that. More interesting (for me) is what we can do here at WL. You're not playing memorized tunes, you're making up the tune, or playing harmonies, backing, counterpoint, etc. It's the best exercise of creativity you can get.

Theory is useless to an ear player, however it's the most often way players are taught to "improvise" However they don't hear anything, until it comes out of the horn. How is that improvising?

If a player can hear what they want to play, that's the key and then it's a matter of coordinating ones fingers to "obey". +1
18 dicembre 2025 alle ore 23:11
Tyler_250829
Tyler_250829 I'm really enjoying our conversation, so I'm gonna really dig into how I work. When I learn a song its ears first sheet music second. Maybe that order is reversed. A lot of times with a tune or melody I've heard a lot, all I need is the first phrase to start earing it out, maybe not even that. With improv on guitar I typically start out on the scale of the song, but quickly start exploring everywhere I can, a chart only helps me find my target notes, and sometimes it hinders me in the moment. If I were in a true live, spontaneous situation, I wouldn't want a chart just a key. Saxophone feels very similar in regards to how I approach improv, I start in a key and feel it out and try to lock into the cadence of the music. I started guitar when I was 15(nothing compared to your time playing, but its still longer than some of kids I work with have been alive lol) , and still learn every day, I'm still surprised how much applies to other instruments, how interconnected it all is, and this where I enjoy theory, but theory is too much to dig into while I'm playing and already in the moment. I guess its just not how I learned. Maybe I'll reach a point where I have the best of both schools of thought. It's funny because a lot of guitarists are like that in the rock/metal world(where I started), regurgitating arpeggios and runs and whatever else the guru said to practice, but I find it to be more satisfying to come up with my own lines. Singing is definitely important, and helps me now more than ever, its not something I've pursued so much artistically, but more as a utility for song writing, and lately as an aid in instrumental composition as I get better at transcribing. I think I'm starting to realize as I'm typing this out, why self taught and/or ear musicians and classically trained or jazz trained musicians find the other side so difficult, ands I think its got to do with having to drop the method you've learned, at least temporarily, to go into unfamiliar territory, and feel vulnerable and small again. +1
19 dicembre 2025 alle ore 02:42
Wade
Wade Sounds to me like you're on a good journey. Expanding the genres is easy to do here and will reap rewards in any other style you play. Broadening one's internal library of sounds/feels/modes and the huge variety of music in the world will make one a great improvisor. If you only wish to play jazz, then none of this ultimately matters as there is little/no audience. It's 99.9% jam sessions just playing "standards". Only the top .01% of jazz players have an audience.

There are lots of other genres that still have some demand (audiences). Jazz chops, needing charts, etc. doesn't happen. you've got to have ears to fit in and understand that genre's grooves.

You're in the right place to expand into those areas... and it's safe! +0