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AI copyright on Wikiloops

posted on #1
josepssv Supporter
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We try to understand how the intellectual property rights required in Wikiloops are affected when starting a jam or a remix with some emerging AIs
posted on #2
josepssv Supporter
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I have read this in Udio. It is compatible to upload a song to Wikiloops in this way?:

"
Udio – Content FAQs
Do I own the songs and artwork I generate using Udio?
We do not claim any ownership over the content you generate using Udio in response to your inputs. See Udio’s Terms of Service for more detailed information about ownership of the content generated using Udio.

Can I share the content I generate using Udio on social media?
Yes, as long as the content does not contain copyrighted material that you do not own or have explicit permission to use, and as long as you properly indicate that the content was generated using Udio. See Udio’s Terms of Service for more detailed information about the usage rules for content generated using Udio.

Can I use the content I generate using Udio for commercial purposes?
For example, can I distribute the music I generate on music streaming platforms? Can I include it in a monetized video on YouTube? Can I license it for use in TV/movies/advertisements/etc.? Yes, as long as the content does not contain copyrighted material that you do not own or have explicit permission to use, and as long as you properly indicate that the content was generated using Udio. See Udio’s Terms of Service for more detailed information about the usage rules for content generated using Udio"


https://www.udio.com/faq
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posted on #3
Dick Supporter
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Nope, it is not.

The wikiloops license asks you to be the sole author of anything you upload (in case of remixes, the other wikiloops authors already consented, so you must be the sole author of what you added in the remix scenario). This is not the case if you upload udio generated content.

If you read the second "answer" to the social media question really carefully, then you will spot a remarkable legal twist there:
They remind you not to upload copyright-breaching content to social media.
The question was not about uploading anything other than udio generated content... why mention copyright infringement here?
I guess because it is technically possible udio will accidently generate a track which breaches composition rights in some legal realm, so they need to warn you about that - without explicitly saying so.

We have not even seen the start of copyright claims against AI audio generators, this will get very interesting to watch... but we should make sure wikiloops does not get caught in any of that.
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posted on #4
MySounds Supporter
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Just to add to this: only human-generated content can be copyrighted. That means, according to current state of legal discussions in the US, that you do not have copyright ownership and/or protection of content you upload that was created by AI.

Besides not being able to mark the checkbox about your rights when uploading, you are also putting the add up without any protection. Anyone could re-use it and put their name to it as it 'swims in the WL pond' without copyright protection.

This also means that you might get into difficulties trying to monetize ai tracks through publishing rights. If someone would find out later that you weren't the original copyright owner the publishing companies might want to have a serious word with you.
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posted on #5
josepssv Supporter
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Joined: 21 set 2013
Thank you for your comments, I like to have legal and friendly support in what I do.
Each culture has different values about the ownership of intellectual rights.
In Japan, in art, everyone signs the work, those who have made the paper or the brush as well.
In some areas of Africa, the more they copy, the better for the author, without copy rights.
I say this because the authors of the work could be many more than those on the jam list.
Udio It specifies that it must be stated that its technology has been used.
It's okay to write down used technologies.
Yes, we are waiting to see how lawsuits are opened against AIs for abusing copyright.
Yes, caution in direct use.
In the payment options it is inspiring for me and other musicians as a composition tool
posted on #6
MySounds Supporter
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Just one more thought on this. Dick is much too friendly to point this out wheras I can be a real bastard on occasion, so here goes: there is a danger that changes to terms and conditions on ai sites can lead to a situation where the user is granted the right to use ai generated content but the ai company retains the copyright (something similar happened a couple of years ago with some google services). The consequence could be that suddenly the ai company can make a claim on a part of WL content. Which is why you should not cheat on the copyright/ownership checkbox when uploading to WL.

The fun stops the second anyone with business interests gets involved. If ai uploads can (in theory) be a door opener for legal claims...

It's not about best intentions and harmless fun and wrong or right, it's about protecting WL from business interests that have a legal basis. Which is why I think Dick is right in being restrictive. The world is not always a nice place, so let's at least keep WL safe.
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posted on #7
josepssv Supporter
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Joined: 21 set 2013
Good My Sound!

We will wait for the music business to stabilize, which is not with us.

And although AI companies promise not to complain about its use, it remains to be seen.

"The world is not always a nice place, so let's at least keep WL safe"
👍

It is a matter of knowing how to take advantage of these magnificent tools of inspiration and composition without them affecting us.

😅
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