Mini UpRightBass Cigar Box Conversion

In this post I show you the conversion of a cigar box to use it as a MIDI controller and play any string instrument or VST sound

Use for the project:
1. 4-string cigar box EADG
2. 0.52-0.12 gauge flatwound strings like touch upright string
3. USB interface , in my case I use the USB of a Behringer guitar, but any small interface would work well attached to the body or external through a jack cigar box out
4. Audio to MIDI conversion software : Jam Origin Midi Guitar 2,Dodo Midi
https://www.jamorigin.com/
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2021/10/25/dodo-audio-midi-converter/
5. DAW record ... in my case Reaper


First I adapted the interface in the best possible place, in this case after the string bridge screwed to the body, you just have to solder the pickup outputs (ground and signal) either directly to the USB interface or through a tone potentiometer 250K to eliminate most high-pitched noise.
It would stay like this.....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WPloMEm.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gUgHM5v.jpg[/img]

Then, just for aesthetic reasons, I have covered the electronic system with a P bass type electric bass plate, it also serves to eliminate more parasitic signal by placing the hand on top of the plate when playing

It would stay like this....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wOxGDeq.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Sh8gfNz.jpg[/img]

On the side would be the inputs of the USB port and in this case the audio input with 6.5mm jack

[img]https://i.imgur.com/2xJiZOu.jpg[/img]

Connect the cigar box through the USB interface to the laotpop and then any audio to MIDI signal converter, modify the audio signal to a midi signal on the laptop to use it in any VST as a signal trigger

With my USB card, Midi guitar Jam Origin and latency settings I get a latency of 5.8 ms, enough to play without perceiving signal delay

You just have to spend time adjusting the midi parameters for a natural playing on the strings

And the result..!!

You can comfortably play in the Cigar Box scale (almost similar to a conventional electric guitar) the sound of a conventional EADG-tuned double bass with the same scales and note positions.

It sounds like that....for the styles that require double bass sound ;)

https://www.wikiloops.com/backingtrack-jam-261401.php

https://www.wikiloops.com/backingtrack-jam-261563.php

https://www.wikiloops.com/backingtrack-jam-261496.php

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Doctor Mario strikes again:o
Great job and amazing result with your new double bass<3
Thanks for sharing my friend

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Thanks Olivier!!

It's an idea that occurred to me a long time ago, it really is to create a non-key MIDI controller, where obviously the double bass sound would also work; rather it is a way of playing string sounds, plucking strings... therein lies the difference
It can also be done with a conventional guitar, but I have two strings left over to have that real double bass feeling in your hands.
I can also play it comfortably on the sofa hahaha!!!

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You are a great source of engineering inspiration Mario, thanks for sharing ;)

So you are using heavy gauge jazz guitar strings and the bass tuned up one octave higher than a normal bass guitar, right?

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Very observant Michael!!

In fact, the gauge is like a 052/012 jazz guitar with a flatwound finish, so the 4 low strings are like mini-bass strings he he

Regarding the tuning, it is in fact an octave more, and that is very important because the midi-audio conversion program detects the high notes better, if it had used a conventional bass it does not detect the low notes

In addition to this technical detail, it is more comfortable to play "a double bass" sitting on your sofa than a vertical one ha ha ha

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I like to experiment with the instruments and give it another life....

If you have the opportunity to buy a second-hand behringer USB guitar (Iaxe model), you have the USB interface that you can remove by just removing 4 screws... it has excellent latency with the drivers for Windows 10

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That's a very clever solution Mario - yes, bass notes are a lot harder to sample in realtime ;)

And the VST plugin will generate the "singing" sound of the fretless board of an upright anyway so you can use a conventional fretted neck.

I'll have to find a second hand Danelectro now for modification I think :D

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I've tested it and it works with VSTs that emulate fretless quite well!!
You don't get the same slide as a fretless fingerboard but it sounds very good... when I upload something with this VST I'll send it to you, for now I love the sound "and the real touch" of strings with double bass sound!!!

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https://www.wikiloops.com/backingtrack-jam-255483.php

In this jam you can hear and see in the comments a guitar that I converted to fretless...
I have extracted the USB interface from that guitar, and I have left it as a fretless instrument... a very curious sound

Hey it!!!

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Yes - good explanation - good project. I did see this...

An exam[ple of playing style I wish for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKxB-D8v6hs
and taking to Bass and Chords. Hybrid Guitar - 2 signal paths

Song is great Brass excellent. But to jump to relevant section about the middle of the video.
Shows Bass and melodic / Chords
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXIP-xOhMo8

I want one - or the Bacci Leonardo.
Cost is a consideration, but hesitate about the learning curve.

Keep up your sound - it's special and your guitar is only part of it.
Real good musician.

Ulfberth

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